Friday, October 28, 2011

The Insiders: MeAgain and Sue Williams

In the Land of Palins, there is nothing new under the sun. To predict the future, look at history. This applies to pre-marital pregnancies, quickie marriages or shot gun engagements, athletic boastings that are overblown, fudged due dates, accusing everyone but themselves of having bad motives and mean spirits.  Should we care about any of that? Yes.  

Why? Because Sarah’s political career has a pattern, too. And if that pattern repeats itself, a woman we believe is unsuited for national office will attain just that.  

It’s a well known fact that Sarah has been tapped by politicians, one after another, to run for jobs she was not equipped to do. Perhaps, in some of those positions, she could have dug in and eventually been amazing. But she wasn’t, she just claims she was.  Time after time, after taking help and mentoring, she turned and set her sites on the job of the one who helped her. That’s how she became mayor and that’s how she became governor.

John McCain, look out. Sarah and Bristol both bought houses in Arizona (another pattern).  It isn’t because they love desert heat!

So, let’s look at another pattern. Perhaps there is something to learn from it.  Readers of The Palin Place email me asking what I think of the postings of someone who goes by MeAgain primarily at Immoral Minority Blogspot. The jury’s out as far as I’m concerned, and I’m willing to open this up for all opinions.  MeAgain is a lot like Sue Williams from Wasilla who, on the first day McCain announced his VP choice, spoke up as a person who knew the Heaths and Palins.  MeAgain and Sue both took to blogs with an insider’s view of Sarah, Bristol, et al. Both stirred things up, enjoyed the bantering, got accused of makin’ stuff up, got defended, and most of all, got a following.

It’s Sue Williams who first said Willow’s eighth grade boyfriend couldn’t keep his mouth shut about Bristol being pregnant, and it was all over Wasilla early in April. She said it BEFORE the McCain camp announced Bristol’s condition. Afterward, Sue Williams  took a slaying by those blog readers who were trying to figure out things by using timeframes the Palins were putting out.  Now, we know more and we see she was probably right about things that got written off way back when.

It’s part of the Cold Case Evidence. I think it needs review.  In my next post, I’ll point out some things, compare how they line up with facts disclosed since Sue spoke out, and give some opinions. But first, each of you can play detective (or Wasilla gossip ) for yourselves.  Please share whatever looks important from your set of knowledge. We are all in this together.

Below are all the Sue Williams posts from Mudflats: Off to the Land of Palins  

Posted on August 30, 2008

Sue Williams (12:31:50) :
To the person who commented on Sarah’s hair – no, it’s what happens when one has hair extensions – which Sarah, at one time, don’t know about now, had.
Re: babygate – I don’t know what’s being reported. Here, however, is the truth. Trig is Sarah and Todd’s baby.
When Sarah first learned she was pregnant, it was shocking and overwhelming. While she and Todd had not planned to have anymore children, it is common knowledge among their family and friends that neither of them ever surgically insured that they wouldn’t have any “late in life” surprises/blessings.
This, to me, showed a disturbing lack of judgement. If you want to ask the citizens of a state to let you run the state for four years, to me she and Todd should have thought ahead and determined that the possibility of an unplanned pregnancy wouldn’t have been prudent for either the child, their family, their extended family (who are the ones who end up helping them raise their current four children) or the citizens of the state.
They either didn’t think this through, or didn’t care. Not sure. But, either way, to me and to others, it was a lack of foresight and judgement.
But it is the same vein – this lack of judgement – Sarah showed, on the campaign trail for governor, when asked who would raise her children should she win, she promptly stated that Todd would quit his job and stay at home with the kids (Todd works a “Slope” week on/week off schedule).
Sarah was elected and then – whoops. Todd didn’t like the stay at home gig – so Sarah, citing they needed money for the kid’s college (even though Track enlisted in the military) said Todd was returning to work. When asked about her statements on the campaign trail about how Todd would quit his job, Sarah said she’d actually never talked to him about what they would do if she was elected (in terms of his employment) and that she’d spoken out of turn when she spoke for him stating he’d quit his job.
Again, call me picky, but this is the kind of bizarre judgement Sarah routinely displays. Are you kidding me that she would run for governor and she and her husband would somehow not think to have a conversation about what to do with their four school aged kids? That’s insane. So, either her judgement is super goofy, or she wasn’t telling the truth. Either way, it’s not reassuring to now think this is someone who would be one 72 year old heartbeat away from having to call shots for the country/world.
So Todd trots himself back to work and Sarah is busy traipsing around the state and the nation. The kids are “farmed out” (this is the word used by thier associates in “the Valley”) to family and friends to raise while Todd and Sarah are off having their respective careers (Sarah is famously quoted as saying, “My mom does whatever I need her to”).
During this period is when Bristol, Sarah’s sixteen year old daughter, turns up pregnant. So, it’s kind of interesting to note that the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee and her sixteen year old junior in high school unwed daughter were carrying babies at the same time. Once Bristol’s condition became more obvious this summer, she was whisked out of sight and hasn’t been seen in public until yesterday in Ohio. This is why Trig’s blanket was strung across her entire abdomen and torso, but, when she walked down the stairs from the stage, in a profile shot, it was very clear to see she is well into her third trimester of her pregnancy.
It has come out in the past couple of days that she and her high school boyfriend had a quickie wedding and that she is home schooling her senior year.
The Anchorage Daily News has known about this for months – and haven’t touched the story. But I can’t imagine the national press or the Democratic Party will be as willing to turn a blind eye.
For me, once again it speaks to judgement. We all – every single one of us – even Sarah’s closest friends in the Valley (I know, I’ve been speaking to them) know she is in no way qualified for this position. At all.
But then, why would she accept the nomination, knowing that Bristol’s situation will come to light and knowing her hunger for national and international acclaim and attention will carry with it a mighty high price for her seventeen year old daughter who had absent parents last year and who turned up pregnant.
How embarrassing will it be for Bristol once the news (or the baby) comes out and not just the Valley, not just Alaska, not just the USA – but Bristol will be known the world over as the seventeen year old unwed – then quickly wed senior-in-high-school-homeschooled-teenage mom and daughter to the Republican Vice Presidential Nominee?
How hard will that degree of scrutiny and shame be?
How does one do that to one’s daughter?
How does one dash about the country for the next 66 days trying to pull off an image of the devoted mother of five when she, by and large, isn’t the one raising them and when one of them – her daughter, is in a truly vulnerable point in life; not to say anything about the needs of Trig. But maybe he doesn’t count, except as a talking point or a photo prop. But this is a person, a little boy who is going to require a tremendous amount of time and attention. From his mother.
This is okay?

Sue Williams (13:07:22)  
Hello One Love. I live in this Valley. I know the Heath/Palin families. I am a proud Republican. And I’m a conservative. Frankly, if Democrats realized how socialistic and liberal Sarah is in her governing stances, probably they’d welcome her on the ticket.
My points were directed at her judgement. I do not trust Sarah’s judgement.
Just like her decision, once her water broke while, according to her, she was in the middle of delivering an address in Texas, and she decided she “just couldn’t deliver her baby in Texas,” so she hopped on two flights and flew for ten hours plus back to Alaska where Trig was born just a couple hours later.
She is 44. She knew she had a medically classified high risk pregnancy. She knew she was carrying a special needs baby. She knew she was in active labor one month prior to her due date. She knew her water had broken (which means she is in what is considered medically active labor) when she chose to put herself on two long flights.
This is sound judgement?
This is not sound judgement.
I will not vote for Sarah to be one heart beat away from having to make decisions that effect every citizen of our country on matters of national security. She has demonstrated to me that she is faulty in making decisions of security and safety when it comes to her own children.

Sue Williams (18:27:02) :
Dear Logician – that was funny to read! I am only reporting what I hear constantly from Sarah and Todd’s “inner circle” (it sounds so funny saying that about anyone in this Valley. It’s way too high brow sounding – and truly, the more you hear about SP, we’re certainly not high brow around these parts. By. Any. Stretch.)
Fine if I’m wrong. I was just hanging out with people who are close friends with the Heath family the last two days and this is what I’ve heard.
Who cares if I’m wrong (I’m not). Obviously in the next 48 hours or so I imagine a reporter will try to weasel around the Secret Service and ask her personally. I assume she must have mentioned the whole scenario to McCain, right? She wouldn’t have blindsided him with this -? But, I don’t know. That was the discussion around these parts this morning – How much did McCain know about the baby stuff and how much did he know about Troopergate (like, the interesting little fact that she’s been caught multiple times the past six weeks not telling the truth).
This, I think, is what will finally get her. She can’t be prepping for the cursory answers she’s going to have to memorize on every national and intl issue – AND remember what she said when and to whom re: her Troopergate cover-up attempts. I know this coming week is when the special counsel up here was supposed to depose her.
My. My. It’s not gonna be pretty. Anyway, Logic whomever – think what you will. No worries.

Sue Williams (19:13:49) :
Hey Logician – actually Sarah’s doc is Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, a family physician, who, a few years back, was awarded some sort of national Family Doctor of the Year award. CBJ (as she is known in these parts) wouldn’t lie. I think if you go back and read the more-or-less cover-up article put out by the Anchorage Daily News (adn) during this situation, where Sarah talks about conferring with CBJ, and CBJ is interviewed, CBJ was pretty careful not to say she felt like the travel was wise – but Sarah tried to pass it off as if she had CBJ’s approval.
Trust me, Sir, this is a Valley of few secrets. Everyone knows everyone and everything. There’s no way at all the hospital staff would be able/be willing to pull off that kind of a cover-up.
If Barack and Joe want to win this thing, it’s certainly their’s for the taking. They’ll have to be careful not to act condesending or bullying of Sarah, b/c she can pull out the sympathy card like nothing you’ve ever seen. Men swoon; women roll their eyes.
McCain didn’t choose her for the female votes, sillies. He chose her for the male vote. She does that little batting of her eyes and the aw-golly-gee-shucks-I’m the poor little damsel in distress routine and the guys just knock themselves out eating it up.
Oh, and while we’re on it. Watch Sarah drop her “-ing’s” This has driven so many of us in AK to distraction and beyond, it’s so Appalachian sounding (sorry West Virginians). Everything is huntin’, fishin’, votin’, fightin’ — you get the idea.
SNL is going to have a field day. I wish McCain could have thought that one point through a wee bit more…..

Sue Williams (19:57:07) :
Hey Logic – I didn’t say nobody tells lies. Goodness, read the accounts of Sarah at andrew and at the for the past six weeks. Make up your own mind about whether Sarah and her closest associates in her Administration were telling lies (hint: her close aide, Frank Bailey is now on leave with pay b/c he was caught in the most pathetic, on tape, lying shenanigan). But, do I think CBJ, Sarah’s doc, would lie? I do not think so.
Houston – her mayoral races were like a stroll through the park on a hot summer day. Her dad has basically taught everyone out here when they were in middle school science. She won her last mayoral race with less than 1,000 votes. It takes more than that to win a seat on the Valley’s school board.
What hasn’t been reported, at least not much, is that she was unemployed for almost three years before becoming gov. So, people talk about how she was gov for two years – make that 20 months. And before that? Unemployed for almost three years. She ran for mayor on a line of Positively Palin. Everyone knew her and her family. It wasn’t a nasty race.
The race for gov wasn’t exactly “nasty” either. She played the sympathy card constantly. It’s weird how people who aren’t paying attention will fall for it.
She ran for gov against the LEAST LIKED GOV IN THE UNION. His positive numbers were single digits. The local dog catcher could have run and won. Come on, people. This IS Alaska. She won b/c she got in the race so early and I think it kept more qualified people out. Also, the former gov took forever to decide if he’d run for reelection. If he hadn’t, the other guy on the Rep. side would have walked away with the win easily. But, the old gov and the other guy – John Binkley, who was the favorite in the business/thinking community – didn’t count on Sarah being served up no scrutiny in the press. The local press just ran pictures of her and whatdoyaknow? She won. And now she’ll apparently be VP and possilbly president.
The only thing – business wise – she did while being unemployed for almost three years, was to file for a business license she called Cou Rouge or Rouge Cou (I don’t know French). But it means “redneck” in French. Sarah wanted to start a local political consulting firm.
Scary indeed.

Sue Williams (20:57:00) :
Hey Haiki Loving Logic – My gosh. Give up the “doc could have lied shtick.” Okay. I suppose it’s not out of the realm of the possible. How do I know CBJ? She happens to be my doctor. That’s how I know her.
One thing I’m seeing very clearly: The rest of the country has NO IDEA how small town life in this Valley is. I never go anywhere without running into multiple people I know. Everyone knows everyone and everyone talks. It’s kind of sweet and quaint if you like the small town gig – but people from larger metro areas can’t really understand how small towns work if they’ve never lived in one. (Visiting doesn’t count. You have to live here long enough to know half the folks).
Part of this is kind of starting to be funny for me – though, from a Valley Perspective (for anyone who wants to hear this) yesterday felt like someone had died. People were walking around saying how they wanted to throw up. Truly. I’ve never heard (or read, try andrew or so many people describe feeling like they were going to get physically sick and vomit). That’s how CRAZY this sounded to all of us. (fyi – on those blogs, esp the adn site you’ll find a posse of Palinbots – as they’re referred to up here – who think she can do no wrong. These are what we call “bumper sticker” citizens. If an idea is too long for a bumper sticker, it’s too complicated for them to try and wrap their minds around. These people, by and large, compose Sarah’s base. The 80% approval numbers you all – and presumably McCain – heard of where wrong).
But today, I’m torn between being angry and being sad and being shocked and — well, finding this whole thing so gosh darned funny. When EVERYONE except the bumper sticker citz KNOW beyond any shadow of any doubt that there is no way Sarah is qualified for this post – well, it makes me just shake my head as a Republican.
The chatter now is whether she’ll survive the first two weeks – what with her upcoming deposition this week on Troopergate matters and the brewing baby questions. Will Sarah be another Eagleton? And, if so, will she be as gracious as Chuck Kopp was less than a month ago when she tapped him to be Commissioner of Public Safety without vetting him worth squat (it came out almost immediately he had a scandal in his past). She held onto him for two weeks before the pressure became overbearing and she let him go (with a nice $15,000  severance check that she didn’t disclose until it was reported on a local blog). Will she be as gracious as Chuck Kopp if and when McCain wakes up to his insanity and realizes he has to find someone who actually knows something about the job?

Sue Williams posts August 31, 2008

Sue Williams (08:34:00) :
You all are a hoot. Kind of. You have no idea how surreal this whole pick is for Alaskans. NO ONE up here that I know – beside “bumper sticker citz” think Sarah is ready for – heck, the Senate, let alone VP or the White House. It’s truly crazy.
Here are the facts – and really, if you want to spend time trying to understand Sarah, my best advice to you is to go to Andrew and read the past six weeks worth of his blog entries and the comments section – or, the Anchorage Daily News ( The ADN is very Palin friendly (the staff is all hoping she’ll bring them on board her Administration – cynical? Yes. But, kind of true, too. She rewarded the editor with a nice post in DC once she was elected gov).
Re: the pregnancy stuff. I wouldn’t bother trying to track down anymore photos. Some I’ve seen have the wrong dates assoicated with them anyway. Sarah gave birth to Trig. Many of us in Alaska speculated she kept her mouth shut b/c she didn’t want people in DC to know when she went there in Feb (it allowed her to get to talk VP speculation). By the end of the preg (like late March, early April) she did look pregnant – her face got full and she only wore black changing out her scarves for color.
Trig is Sarah and Todd’s baby. She was very open (once she told everyone she was pregnant) that learning she was pregnant was a difficult thing, let alone learning he had Down’s. Sarah is amazingly ambitious. She doesn’t like to let anything stop her – clearly, she, and all of us, and anyone with a functioning mind, saw this pregnancy as taking her out of VP speculation. But, what do you know, John McCain I guess, doesn’t have a functioning mind.
Bristol Palin is pregnant. She is well into her third trimester. She has been out of sight in Alaska for the past couple months. I learned the morning we all heard Sarah was chosen that Bristol and her high school boyfriend had had a quickie wedding. So, at least Sarah’s grandchild won’t be born to an unwed teenage mother, just a teenage, senior in high school mother.
When Todd and Sarah first learned Bristol was pregnant, they were “devastated” – which parents wouldn’t be? Sarah said she knew the scrutiny of the press would be hard for Bristol to take.
And then Sarah decides it’s okay to run for VP? If she thought the press in down home Alaska – a press corp who has given her family a free pass and who, even tho they’ve known about Bristol’s pregnancy for months, hasn’t touched it with a ten foot pole – if Sarah thought Alaska’s press would be hard for Bristol to bear, just exactly what did she think the nation’s press pool would be like? Or the fact that by accepting McCain’s offer to join the ticket, Sarah knew full well Bristol will become the most well known pregnant high school senior ON THE PLANET.
Apparently that’s what blind ambition does for you, folks. It blinds you to the hearts and needs and lives and emotions and futures of everyone around you – incl. your own daughter who, God only knows how she’ll bear up under the shock and shame when this story finally comes out.
No thank you. I would like a VP candidate who puts the lives of the people she’s supposed to be caring for first, above her own. Since, for social reasons (abortion and gay issues) I can’t in my conscience vote for Obama, I’ll show up in the booth this Nov and vote for congressional races then slip out before casting a vote for people who have no business being given the responsibility and honor of running our nation.
This whole thing is sick. Sick.

Sue Williams (09:02:45) :
Hey Clever Else – so funny you think I’m a plant and that my story got “better and better.” So, I guess you think the truth got better and better.
Am I somehow not being clear? Sarah Palin would be a DISASTER as VP. In my opinion she’s been a disaster as governor.
Are you a plant?

Sue Williams (09:56:01) :
Oh my gosh, you guys. Please. What do I care if Trig is Bristol’s baby? Maybe he was and now she’s pregnant again. I don’t know. That seems unlikely to me. Look, all I can tell you is Bristol is pregnant. Have you never lived in a small town? When one hears this “rumor” (and okay, I admit, I never heard it straight from Sarah’s mouth) but have heard it from close to 20 people who are all long time friends of the family. Maybe they are all lying – and have been lying since April of this year when Willow’s boyfriend (Willow is the 8th grader) wouldn’t shut up about how Bristol was pregnant. The story came out (not by the news, of course, because all four reporters in this state wanted Sarah to choose them next for some cool govt post) but by everyone whose anyone around here (and it’s not a hard job to be an “everyone” when there’s so few of us).
What I’m seeing is that America doesn’t know how small towns work. You either lead the lily pure white life, or you move to a city, or, when your child turns up pregnant at 16, you hide her somewhere. That’s what happened here. Now, apparently, Sarah is keeping Bristol on the bus with Trig while she makes her appearances.
This must be the problem with conspirators, when the truth stares them straight in the eyes, they don’t know how to recongize it. Please.

Sue Williams (10:03:54) :
Hey Laura – now there’s a good question, because the “Bristol got a quickie wedding” remark I heard from a friend was Friday morning while all this was hitting the fan in AK. If she really is married, there would have to be a public document somewhere. I suppose checking up here or checking Idaho (where it was presumed she was sent) would be the natural choices to look. I really questioned the person who told me, but they were adament that they’d been told the truth about the wedding. It kind of made sense to me (I mean would McCain really choose a woman who has an unwed pregnant home schooled daughter for VP?). But then, would McCain really choose a mother who has a wed pregnant homeschooled teenager for VP?
Oh God, please save the Republic from this Insanity.

Sue Williams (10:11:42) :
Hey Clever Else. No worries. I know it must be beyond bizarre to think any of this is truly happening. Well, welcome to my world. I’ve had to live in it (crazy, insane, nonsensical Alaskan politics) for most of my life. But Friday’s announcement took the Insane to depths even I didn’t know existed.
If you can tear yourself away from the Sarah Stuff, sometime, just to clear your head, read up on our Congressman, Don Young.
He, all by his little wacky self, would provide enough material for Jon Stewart and the Colberg guy for a year. A year, I tell you.
Do you know that a growing number of former legislators (like one of our most recent Speakers of the House) populate federal pens up and down the West Coast? You can’t make this stuff up. Really. I wish you could, I promise. I wish, desperately, this wasn’t real time. But, it is what it is. Sarah is what she is and once the nation finds out, and once conservatives find out, and the Christian community finds out and heck, even good old John McCain finds out who and what Sarah Palin really is, then it’s all over.
But will they find out before the election?
That’s the only question.

Sue Williams (10:24:20) :
My gosh, Logic. I thought you had calmed down. With all your Haiku talk, you’re a wee bit uptight – and I’m going to have to take a break here to go to church. Look: I’m assuming you and I couldn’t be more far apart politically.
Here’s who I am: Christian, wife, mom, business woman, proud (except for the past 42 hours) Alaskan, proud (except for the past 42 hours) American.
I know Sarah Palin. While I’m sure she has redemptive qualities; there are just so many reasons there is NO POSSIBLE WAY I would ever support her candidacy. Sarah is all about spin, spin, spin.
I’m not. You either are who you are, or get out. Sarah promotes the notion that she is the devoted and doting mom. But just do the math – while she has been running around the state, and now the nation, trying to advance herself, four children, who she and her husband made, are at home and could use a little mom time. There’s just not enough hours in poor Sarah’s day.
That, right there, I will look forward to my brothers and sisters in the Christian community trying to defend.
I remember very well when she ran for Lt. Gov in 2002. I didn’t know her nearly as well and was planning to vote for her. Then another woman and I got into a conversation. When she heard I was going to vote for Sarah she asked if I was a Christian. I said I was, and a very devoted one at that. Then she said, “How can you as a Christian and a mother support voting for someone to a position that will take them out of the daily life of their children for significant amounts of the time?”
I know this point is so anti-feminist. But it made me think. At the time Piper was like a year old or so. I chose to vote for another candidate. Then, by the time she ran for gov I’d seen enough of her and her self-serving ways that I knew there was no way I’d vote for her (actually, that was a secondary reason. I didn’t agree with her views on getting AK’s gas to market – but that’s another story).
Got to go. I’ll say a prayer for you, Logic. And for the nation. If ever we needed our eyes opened, it’s now.
Sue Williams (13:26:11) :
Oh my gosh, Logic – you’ve almost convinced me about your Bristol theory. But, in the middle of it all is a 17 year old young woman who is going to need a lot of mom time. Not to mention 4 month old Trig who could use some Mommy time, too. 

The above-mentioned theory of Logic who challenged the credibility of Sue:
The Logician (10:48:21) :
There are two theories here. Biologically speaking, they can’t both be true. Theory #1 is that young Trigonometry is not Sarah’s son, but her grandson by Bristol Palin. With the Down Syndrome possibly related to incest. Theory #2 is that Trig is Sarah’s son, and that Bristol is currently pregnant by her high school boyfriend.
I lean strongly toward Theory #1, although I’m agnostic on the incest angle. I think Theory #2 is a distraction planted by Sue Williams.

Sue Williams then goes quiet. People comment on it, much as they have on MeAgain’s absence.  But her name and her words made one more appearance on September 3, 2008 in an article on Seattle People Examiner reporter Laura Vecsey wrote:

Up there in Wasilla, Alaska, a local chef and caterer named Sue Williams has been hitting the message boards hard about Alaska governor Sarah Palin…
We called Ms.Williams today to chat about her, um, chattiness regarding Palin. Sue Williams said the entire town is "very excited" about what's happening. Sue was busy… Asked if there was any reason to doubt whether Sarah Palin, who believes the Iraq War is God's plan, could not be the next Vice President of the United States of America, one heartbeat away from becoming the leader of the free world, Sue Williams gave a thumbs up.
"No reason why not,'' Williams said.
Of course, considering that there could be a wedding in Wasilla soon, now that Bristol Palin is alleged to be marrying her boyfriend , this could be good for business for Specialty Catering. Today, Bristol and her beau, Levi, [picture] were greeted in Minnesota by John McCain.
Is this a future wedding for which Specialty Catering will cater?

Ms. Vecsey then included pieces of the Mudflats comments you read earlier. Nothing new at all.  Not one single thing. What happened to the woman? She  answered “No reason why not,” only three days after using the words “sick” and “scary” to describe Palin and her potential to serve in Washington! And, when reached by phone, this woman who spent hours on a blog site (granted, it was on a weekend) said she was “busy” and presumably brushed off the reporter? Interesting.

Today, when you put “Sue Williams” and “Wasilla” into a search engine, one of the matched items is an obituary for someone by that name who passed away six months ago at the age of 69 . Was that “our” Sue Williams? We may never know.  Keep digging, Truthers, before the trail grows any colder, and share, share, share!


Original Lee said...

The one thing that always stuck out to me about Sue Williams' posts was that she wasn't a personal friend of the Palins. She hung out with people who knew the Palins, and I'm kinda thinking (having reread everything here) that her friends were "peripherals". And I grew up in a small town (pop. 500). Even now, when I go back for visits, I run into tons of people I know. However, there are people I know at a very superficial level who know other people at a very superficial level, and yes, I know who the mayor is (he used to date my sister), but it's not as if I can call him up and have a nice chat, much less get the inside dirt on his family life. So I think that Sue Williams believed what she heard around town, but I also think there was an effort made to put the story out there that Sarah was pregnant by people who know how small towns work.

We know from the March museum photos that Sarah was not pregnant. We know from photos earlier in the year that she was not pregnant. Therefore we either have to find photos of her from 2007 where she looks pregnant (the significantly older Trig theory) or she did not give birth to Trig. It's that simple.

GinaM said...

"Today, when you put “Sue Williams” and “Wasilla” into a search engine, one of the matched items is an obituary for someone by that name who passed away six months ago at the age of 69."

YIKES...this statement sent a chill down my spine! Allison you might want to check out this Palinbot's website...she posted a 9 minute...yes 9 minute video of Bristol on DWTS...some of the pictures are interesting...maybe you can get some there are pictures of Tripp in them's the link....

Oh and the title of the post is interesting...remember what that Sharon Angle said about if a woman gets pregnant from a rape....make lemonade out of lemons....I find it funny that this person dedicated this post to an obvious pregnant Bristol...maybe Bristol made herself some baby lemonade!

PS...the Palinbot also must like Bristol's OLD face and not that not so new and improved face she's sporting today!

Allison said...

Gina M, I watched it and then a couple if the other videos that came up in thumbnails. Someone had a camera going while Bristol went in and out of her trailer at DWTS. In one, she's wearing the Pepto Bismal pink dress and an assistant unzips her, showing something tight and black underneath. Could interest people trying to figure out if she was hiding another pregnancy.

In one, the little boys are brought to see her - Trig and Tripp. I do NOT think it's Sarah carrying Trig, I think both boys are with sitters. Would like to know what you think. Here's the link:

GinaM said...

Allison...thanks for the video....I've actually seen that video that you posted of DWTS and the trailers....that actually is Sarah holding Trig at the end...unless the damn Grifter has her own double!! How crazy and bizarre would that be huh!

Gryphen did a post on this video...I don't have the link but if you want it I could look for it for you.

LAtheorist said...

Love the new site - I've been following babygate for three years but don't comment much. I took some screenshots from the DWTS video and the "Lemonade from Lemons" bot video. I *think* I've uploaded them correctly to my flickr at

For some context: I'm a total Trig truther, and am leaning towards a November 2008 birth for (the current) Tripp. I am perfectly willing to believe that Bristol stupidly got pregnant again with Gino or whoever. I've been pestering a good friend with close ties to some reality tv producers to get the dirt on Bristol's show - and whether there really is a hidden "godson" (Tristan?) - and I'm not giving up so I really haven't decided.

That being said, after watching (and slooowly to get screenshots) these videos, I'm thinking that Bristol was not pregnant during DWTS. I tried to be fair in which shots I grabbed from the videos (versus those that were photos in the video), taking what looked like the best side or profile angle as Bristol moved. Also grabbed some shots it seems like Bristol's belly is in the way of what otherwise would be pushing more closely against her - i.e., the shot of her with Tripp on her hip, I would expect his leg that was in front of her to fold closer to body if there wasn't a bump there.

I'm torn between

(1) feeling sorry for Bristol - who barely had a chance with someone like Sarah as her mother - and chalking it up to poor posture and stress eating (especially since it doesn't look like she worked all that hard during her rehearsals). I think even the infamous purple military inspired costume lower belly bump could be attributed to the material and what looks like a weird, skintight-until-almost-your-crotch design; and

(2) accepting that she is stupid enough to get pregnant for the third (at least!) time, and was stuck on DWTS with her growing gut because the bots wouldn't give her the early exit she'd planned! I've always thought Bristol looked pregnant in the photo (black shirt, tan vest) with Sherry from the View and the mirror ball.

I've had a long week and am feeling pleased with myself for finally doing something to contribute (I hope!) to the unraveling of babygate!!I I have some three-year old bets to call in once it finally breaks : ) so, goodnight and I hope the screenshots work

B said...

Thanks for bringing up Sue the Caterer again. You are right to treat Babygate like a cold case.

JillyG said...

If we do know for sure that Sue was a caterer, I don't think the Sue Williams of Wasilla who died is the same person. In the obituary I found for her, it says she worked for a bank, no mention of a catering business..

JillyG said...

Oops, meant to include a link to the Frontiersman obit - here it is:

JillyG said...

Is it just me, or does Sue's writing style closely resemble that of MeAgain? It's not as "clean" or "correct" but she uses a lot of the same phrases and the overall flow is familiar. I also noticed that both Sue and MeAgain seem very defensive of CBJ...

Allison said...

LAtheorist, good work and welcome to the sharing cohort. You have already made valuable comments. I share your confusion on the DWTS Bristol. We need more information, more pictures, and if you get an insider to talk, do tell!

B said...

Googling round, found this interesting 3-yr-old comment, suggesting our Sue Williams was dishing Palin but maybe not dishing catered food.


(Love that Sarah's fan misspelled name!)

So our Sue is not the Anchorage caterer. If the Seattle paper was wrong that our Sue was a Wasilla caterer (a newspaper wrong???) she could be the subject of the obituary, though even a small town could have multiple Sue Williamses and blogging pseudonyms.

I believe Sue's comments were where I first heard that Sarah basically left her kids to fend for themselves. One of the things I learned from McGinnis was that Sally Heath did much the same thing, in her case because she spent her time and energy at her new, non-Catholic, church. Daughter Heather functioned as a parent, much as Bristol did in the Palin household.

Sarah and Sally didn't have to take care of their own children. But, along with Todd and Chuck, they needed to see to it that someone did, and preferably not just another child. Sarah's abandoned children may be partly because she is so full of herself but also because she learned what she lived.

B said...

@JillyG. Sue & MeAgain don't sound at all alike to me. If they share phrases, it is probably colloquial Wasillan usage.

Allison said...


I read the obit, too, and thought the same thing. So I went to the Intelius website (search name, address, phone) and searched for S. Williams in Wasilla. Sue, 69, is listed along with relatives. Someone named Sandra is listed along with relatives. Another "s" is listed without a first name or relatives. Usually on that site when that happens it turns out that it's a duplicate of another listing.

Maybe her business was short lived.

Maybe she isn't the same Sue.

And maybe because of her Sue the Caterer infamy that led to...whatever made her stop talking... the family didn't want it included in her obituary.

Ooooo, here's a new thought - maybe she got paid to shut up. Maybe the family is keeping the money and is keeping quiet about anything that would make people talk about what Willow said in April 2008.

You are probably not alone in wondering if MeAgain and Sue Williams are the same person. I'm not there yet, but here's a suggestion for anyone with time and determination - Is there a free computer program that compares writing and determines probability of authorship? I know that's been done for books of the Bible and works of Shakespeare, and such. It's not where I'm going to go next, there are other things on my to do list. But if anyone else wants to check that our...

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Allison said...

Just calling attention to a comment by Whoa Baby that refers to this thread but got posted on the More Blogging Less Bickering thread.

Also, B, comment that the catering reference might be a journalist's mistake.

In the Mudflats comments, mixed in among the Sue Williams posts and others, there was one that said "my mother Sue Williams in Anchorage" was getting calls from reporters and she was NOT the Sue who wrote on the blog.

B that fits with your deductions. Thanks so much for doing that footwork.

JillyG said...

B, I totally might be wrong here regarding the writing style comparison. What I hear is a certain sense of humor that comes across in both of their postings, but I could be "hearing" something that is not there. I definitely think that MeAgain's writing is more sophisticated, though, for lack of a better term. (I have a very sick niece on my mind so forgive my not so eloquent posting today)
I am very intrigued by this Sue Williams, though. I look forward to learning more.

Amy1 said...

So we have this rather prescient Sue Williams, who said many things that ring true but also some that proved not to be true. But we cannot contact her.

We have MA saying Trig was born before Feb 14 and was v premature. And MA has disapeared.

We have Bailey saying Bristol was not pregnant at Mat Su on Apr 18. Not sure if I believe him or even trust that he could tell.

We have bolster-Bristol at the RNC, either 5 mo pregnant, postpartum from Tripp, at some other stage of pregnancy, or not pregnant. And padded to make her seem either more preg, less preg, or to deal with lactating leaks. We are not sure.

The Mar order for the TRIPP PLP suggests Tripp might have been born and named by then. Or it could be Todd getting a gift for Shailey Tripp, which he redirects as a gift for his daughter (too creepy to believe, but no explanation so far).

And we know that SP was not pregnant with Trig as stated, and did not deliver him at Mat Su on Apr 18. At least we have the photo proof for that.

And we wonder about the ages of both babies being different than stated, and we wonder how/if the ruffled ear got fixed.

We also wonder whether there were borrowed babies (or even a reborn doll) at various stages for both babies.

With "Fred" saying (in the chapter IM released yesterday) SP had two miscarriages, it reminds me that there could be more of those, and we would never know. Or abortions, although one would think they would happen when nothing shows yet and again no one would know.

The DWTS weight gain could be due to simple weight gain -- due to meds, depression, a tumor, or something else that is not a pregnancy, and anyway, after Trigg, I do not care about Bristol's reproductive issues.

So my conclusion: too many variables for a scenario. Way too many. On purpose, of course, and also as a result of bad planning and mistakes.

--"Fred" knows something and his book has legs
--The "Game Change" movie shakes something loose
--An unexpected event erupts (they often do!)

However, I also wonder if there is a MSM blackout on this story, which explains the cancelled interviews of McGinniss and few positive reviews, except from abroad. As we move forward, my certainty re this increases. And it makes perfect sense that McCain et al. and MSM would rather not answer any embarrassing questions.

So that's where we stand, right?

B said...

Age 69 could be a perfectly natural death.

The guy who brought Joe McG chairs got his truck window shot out. A much smaller warning could have gotten Wasilla's Sue Williams to leave Mudflats. I doubt she asked for hush money.

JillyG said...

Amy1, I was just reading over at Shailey's blog and she said that Todd did NOT get her a license plate.
I sure hope that Fred's book has something in it that totally blows the roof off the hoax - I can't stand it any longer, OMG!

Amy1 said...

JillyG: right. So now TWO mysteries. Why the same name? Who did Todd order the PLPs for (although we know Bristol got them)?

Hi B! Someone must know what became of Sue Williams.

B said...

@Amy1. Your accurate little summary is pretty depressing. We should have hired Kinsey Millhone three years ago and sent her to Wasilla.

B said...

One of Audrey's earliest posts! I believe her link to "caterer" went to Specialty Catering, which is the wrong Sue Williams. So I'm inclined to think our Sue was not a caterer and she died this year. But she left us a summary of rumors about Bristol in Wasilla in 2008.

B said...

@Amy1. Think you said we didn't see Tripp's face in the the Greta interview. The camera didn't zoom in on him, but you could see his face here and there. To me he has Tripp's fairly distinctive face. And he is active, not drugged.

The very first thing Bristol says as Sarah hands him to her is, "He's getting huge." Could that be because he is actually 2.5 months old --born in Nov. -- instead of 1.5 months old, and Bristol wants people to think he is just big for his age, not older?

Watched parts of the Matt Lauer interview again too. If Palin had a reborn doll made, it might have been to look like Tripp at the age he should have been for that interview. Poor Tripp is either Benedryl-ed into a stupor or a doll.

OK, Allison, I'll stop piling on comments now.

JillyG said...

To those who think that Bristol was NOT pregnant during DWTS...I clearly saw an OUTIE belly button when she was wearing that tight blue satin getup for the paso I think it was. I don't know of any other condition that causes an outie belly button besides pregnancy (and I was one who wished and prayed for one and never had one with any of my three, LOL) Anyway, I wish I was good with links and such, but...I just know I saw it and can't think of another explanation for it!

JillyG said...

B, don't stop! The more we talk, the more we think of things we might not have otherwise! :)

Amy1 said...

B: Yes, in the GVS we see a live baby, and Bristol makes the "big" comment. Along with the "MY choice" emphasis. On GMA it could not be a doll because how would B switch over to the real child smoothly. I vote for Benadryl -- and also the messed-up schedule per travel/TV requirements could exhaust a little one. But that Tripp sure is big. I can't imagine a doll -- except the squishing of Trig's head on that one video gives me pause and turns my thoughts there. And then I think: who cares? What difference does it make?

JillyG: Why do we think it matters whether B was pregnant on DWTS? I say our interest in Tripp is only because of that stupid logic SP presented re the 5 mo pregnancy of Bristol. SP made us think about her daughter's body to assess SP's lie. If it weren't for that, I would agree that a candidate's family and children are off limits.

If I were getting way fat on tv, and people were speculating on my private life, I might paste on a fake "outie." Just to have some fun with my critics (and stay in the news). And anyway, it doesn't affect our issues: the hoax and who co-conspired or enabled it.

I wish "our Sue W" would write in, or one of her pals would write in: did she die? did she move? why did she stop commenting? what does she think now?

I can't find the Sue W obit: could someone paste it here?

Whoa, Baby! said...

I guess I'm stupid. I'm not sure how I posted this on a thread that I didn't even read. Thank you, Allison, for bringing it to my attention.

I found this at . It's an interesting place to search. There is even the name Todel Palin with the Palin's address. Notice that the record for Sue Williams was made May 2011, so I'm guessing she is alive and well.

WILLIAMS More Info on SUE WILLIAMS Check for Email Address Google
1003 LUCILLE Neighborhood & Property Report Record Created: 05/2011
WASILLA, AK 99654 (907) 357-2714 Confirm Current Phone & Address
Background Check on SUE WILLIAMS

Anonymous said...

Couple things:

It's crucial to choose not to believe anon commenters right off the bat. MeAgain sounds convincing to you all because her words match your fantasy, despite some flatout lies.

It's also crucial to not jump on the Trig is Bristol's bandwagon. There really is no evidence of that. There's technically no hard evidence she was pregnant before Tripp.

Alaskans have proven they know how to lie. just read The Rogue and other books.

Last thing: dont buy into the meme that everyone in the Valley knows everyone else. There are still lots of people who have never met Sarah and know nothing about her personally. Sarah is a person well liked by many, including friends kids.

There are actually not that many people in AK or even US in general who doubt Trig is Sarahs. Many Alaskans believe he is, including teens and adults alike.

People have got to stop believing every little rumor and anon tidbit just because you want it to be true. You're turning into conspiracy theorists and people like that arent respected.

Allison said...

B !! No reason to hold back. I'm enjoying what you have to say and obviously others are, too.

B said...

@557468643. Please identify a flat out lie by MeAgain, and tell me how you know it is a flat out lie. "It's crucial to choose not to believe anon commenters" like you, 557468643, "right off the bat."

Allison said...

577, welcome back! Original Lee made a similar point about people in small towns still not knowing everyone else or their business. Do you have first hand knowledge about the Palins? How many degrees of separation are you from SP or Bristol? Friend of a friend?

Allison said...

557 I messed up your number :)

Whoa, Baby! said...

557 aka Whitney, Sorry, not buying your hypocrisy. You are basically anonymous yourself, so I will take your advice and assume you are full of crap.

Allison said...

Original Lee I recently watched an early interview of Kristan Cole. The reporter was on the Levi and Bristol story that had broken and Ms Cole identified herself as a friend of SHERRY Johnston. And, she knew Sarah, too. Yes, that was the spin. Fits what you say about knowing how to get a story out if you live in a small town.

I'm working with only my phone due to power outage. When I can use my computer I'll review that again with a critical eye.

Allison said...

B & Amy1 & JillyG. (conserving battery!). Great observation on Bristol's getting so big comment! Everything with her has been scripted. That one got past me.

Outies are normal for a percentage of the population ( 25/100 ?) but women who have innies normally can see them pop out during later stages of pregnancy. Sorry you didn't get to experiece it JillyG, if you really wanted to but you didn't miss much lol!

Bristol's babies after Tripp Johnston aren't worth imagining, locating, or talking about IMHO. Any babies before or during her mothers run for VP are part of Babygate and the wild misrepresentations of Sarah being super mom. But anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to argue their opinions here.

Allison said...

GinaM if you can find Gryphen's post and link it here for all of us I'd appreciate it. It looked too young to be Sarah to me and it pains me to say that :). However, I didn't enlarge the screen, so I have that as an excuse. Now I'm limited to this tiny handheld screen. So if you get a chance, it could be something to share with this set of Truthers. Never know what someone will catch.

Thanks for the offer!

Allison said...

Whoa Baby you aren't stupid at all. I hope you find time to eventually read my older posts and comment. The very first is the one I wish every one would read. It's the "Allison's Own Thought's ..." post.

GinaM said...

557468643 said...

Couple things:

It's crucial to choose not to believe anon commenters right off the bat. MeAgain sounds convincing to you all because her words match your fantasy, despite some flatout lies.

It's also crucial to not jump on the Trig is Bristol's bandwagon. There really is no evidence of that. There's technically no hard evidence she was pregnant before Tripp.

Alaskans have proven they know how to lie. just read The Rogue and other books.

Last thing: dont buy into the meme that everyone in the Valley knows everyone else. There are still lots of people who have never met Sarah and know nothing about her personally. Sarah is a person well liked by many, including friends kids.

There are actually not that many people in AK or even US in general who doubt Trig is Sarahs. Many Alaskans believe he is, including teens and adults alike.

People have got to stop believing every little rumor and anon tidbit just because you want it to be true. You're turning into conspiracy theorists and people like that arent respected.
October 30, 2011 8:39 AM

So...Brooklyn, Whitney, Fairy Tale Troll, Wendy...IVY FRYE.

Ivy...can I call you Ivy? I thought you stopped getting paid by SarahPac...are you trying to channel RAM?

Let's've been posting the craziest, saddest, ass kissing comments at IM's and this blog. Now you followed in RAM's steps by starting your OWN Sarah worship blog...that awful "Commondecency" crap. Soon Ivy....RAM will have to tell you to "STOP BLOGGING....STOP BLOGGING NOW!!"

You are making your boss look worse with your troll droppings....please stop.

Bscharlott said...

Hi all. Don't have time to read all of the old posts. After reading a few, I decided Sue either doesn't know what she is talking about, or is lying. McGinniss made clear that SP's friends knew that she and Todd were not having sex with each other, but Sue acts like SP getting pregnant would not be surprising, just bad judgment re protection.

B said...

I think Sue was several degrees of separation from SP's friends, and wasn't trying to investigate. She seems to have been most upset by the Palins abandoning their children.

Elsewhere we've heard that Wooten was one of the family members to whom they farmed out their kids. He was acceptable to parent their children but too bad a person to be a state trooper.

Whoa, Baby! said...

Eh, I'm not so sure that Ivy Frye is the troll. If you go to her FB page, you will see that none of the usual suspects are listed as friends. I wonder why she left SarahPac.

Allison said...

B - I saw "Sarah Palin: You Betcha" and Wooten is on the screen saying he helped realize the Palin kids for four years. You are spot on.

Allison said...

* raise - he helped raise - not realize. It isn't easy using only a cell phone. (Nope, power has not yet been restored.)

Allison said...

Hi Brad! The snow has slowed me down, but I'm into something along those lines.

It is possible that McGinniss' findings are true and Sue was still telling the truth about what she heard. They aren't mutually exclusive. With Sue being only a friend to friends, I think Sue heard intentional spin orchestrated by Sarah.

More when I get the post done.

conscious at last said...

Among the many interesting points in Sue Williams' comments -- over time, as she read and responded to other comments, SHE CHANGED HER MIND AND ADMITTED THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE THAT SP DID NOT BIRTH TRIG.