Sunday, December 4, 2011

Mrs Gunka Remembers a Video of Bristol and Tripp


With the change that simplifies commenting on this blog, we will benefit from the knowledge caches of more Truthers. The long-time Truthers each have unique sets of memories, screenshots, and personal theories. The newer Truthers, even those just awakening to the fact that Babygate is alive and well as a conspirac, will have their own contributions to make. And just in time! This is all about to go viral on the Internet. (That’s what I’m asking Santa to bring this year.) 

And everyone who can help eradicate this pox is welcome to leave comments, whether in their now-fourth year of Trutherism, or having Googled “masseuse and Palin” a few days ago thanks to Sarah dressed as Mrs. Clause provoking curiosity in an interview with Sean Hannity (more on that in “Shailey Tripp, Sarah Palin, and Ebonezer Scrooge)

Whether fourth year or first week, all of us on the trail to discover the truth about Babgate  have our own set of life experiences with which to test the truth of Sarah’s preposterous pronouncements. This blog welcomes all comments that move us in that direction. Mrs. Gunka left just such a message on the post “Tripp and Sarah on Cable Television BEFORE he was BORN.”

That post talks about a person using the name Bristolbaby on an obscure blog, posted in December, 2008 that they had seen a video on CNN and on MSNBC of Sarah bending over a baby that was supposed to be Bristol’s newborn baby. The story was supposedly an announcement of Governor Palin becoming a grandmother. The date was December 20.  Then, mysteriously, all traces of the video and the story  disappeared.  

(Again, for newbies, if you read earlier posts here and here, you’ll understand why I’m very sure her real due date with Tripp was weeks sooner, as was Tripp’s birth.)

Here is the comment I found on Fluther,com  while other sites were distracted with the Sherry arrest story:

I also saw a video of SP greeting the new boy grandchild on CNN and on MSNBC on Saturday December 20th. That was deleted and the page scrubbed online. So it was planted to make us believe the child was born. I thought at the time, that it was rare to actually have the baby on the predicted due date. (especially a first child).
I expect I will see the same video of SP bending over the child when they eventually release the news that the child has been born. Maybe christmas if they can come up with a baby by then.

Mrs. Gunka remembers seeing a video but she doesn’t recall the date. Here is what she told us:

When I first got involved at Palingates and all that preceded them, I remember seeing a picture of Bristol leaning over the counter with "Tripp"? It was a silhouette in the the background from the front door. It was the first "image" of her and the baby we had seen, but I don't remember when it was taken. Someone else might or even have the picture, but can't log-in. I recall it was a video, as she was leaning over him and picked him up and put him back down. I do remember she had a pot on her in the outline that was visable. I remember Sarah answered the door and you could see down the dark hall of her silhouette...like she was giving him a bath. They came in the house and when they went into the kitchen, I think Bristol and baby was gone. I wonder if this was the video you were talking about that was never seen again. I never remembered seeing it again.

So, with Mrs. Gunka remembering something that may be the same video, I have given this additional thought, applying what we know of the patterns of many of the people involved, such as:

  • ·        Chuck Heath is a likely source of leaked information
  • ·        Chuck was responsible for the “leaking amniotic fluid” story that makes Sarah’s Trig story “unflippin’ believable.”
  • ·        Chuck Heath is responsible for releasing the picture of a huge Sarah Heath in red top pregnant with Track Palin.
  • ·        Chuck Heath likes media attention  and talks even when he’s been told not to do so, and to people he’s not supposed to.
  • ·        Bristol has succeeded quite well in keeping pictures of herself from making it into public distribution.
  • ·        When they briefly reunited, Bristol stole from Levi the few pictures he had of her. (Deer in the Headlights)
  • ·        Bristol would do anything she could to keep a video from reaching the public IF she knew about it
Now then, specifically regarding the mysterious December 20 video, here’s my train of thought of how this came about:

  • ·        Bristol is due in mid-November
  • ·        Sarah lies to the McCain campaign saying Bristol is five months pregnant instead of six
  • ·        The Johnstons are told to go along with whatever Sarah says
  • ·        Levi is interviewed in October and says the baby is due December 18
  • ·        The December 18 date is never contradicted nor revised by Palins; the date is used in a myriad of news reports for two months
  • ·        Bristol delivers on time, probably in November
  • ·        Sherry and Sadie see the baby in the hospital, as do Palin family and friends (Deer in the Headlights, My Life So Far)
  • ·        Everyone who knows about the birth is sworn to secrecy
  • ·        Pictures of Tripp are not allowed except for some taken with Bristol’s camera  (My Life So Far)
  • ·        Pictures are taken with film, not digital; no digital dating
  • ·        Todd and/or Sarah rarely leave Bristol’s room while she and Tripp are in the hospital (My Life So Far)
  • ·        Bristol is discharged at night (Deer in the Headlights)
  • ·        Bristol and Tripp and Levi set up housekeeping in Bristol’s room at the Palin’s (Deer in the Headlights)
  • ·        Keith Johnston meets his grandson Tripp at the Palin’s (Deer in the Headlights)
  • ·        Bristol takes a picture of Levi, Keith and Tripp Johnston at the Palin’s (Levi is wearing a McCain/Pain t-shirt)
  • ·        Bristol and Levi are “parenting their butts off” and Sarah is becoming more and more resentful of her job as governor
  • ·        Everyone is keeping the baby’s birth a secret
  • ·        Great-grandparents Sally and Chuck visit their “first” grandchild
  • ·        Unknown to Bristol, Chuck takes a short video of Sarah, Bristol and the baby are in the background
  • ·        At some point, a birthdate gets set. Let’s assume it has to be one that is in the actual birth year (2008) to claim the Alaska oil distribution to which Tripp is entitled and to take a Federal Income Tax deduction from Levi’s Slope job money. Ideally, it’s  a weekend date to minimize governor’s office complications.  December 20 fits the bill.
  • ·        December 14 or earlier, Chuck Heath gives a phone interview to  a website, Grandparents.com and announces December 20 is the due date. (Until now no one contradicted Levi’s December 18 date.)
  • ·        Sherry Johnston is arrested around noon on December 18  and is released around 2pm.
  • ·        December 19 the news becomes a national story
  • ·        The next part is pure supposition. But it is based on patterns of behavior of the main players:
  • ·        Sarah is unaware of her father’s posting, she is dealing with accusations of governor’s office influence on the Sherry Johnston case.
  • ·        Sarah decides she needs to concentrate on the drug bust issue and tells Bristol to stay in the house at least another week, the birth announcement is delayed.  Sarah doesn’t think to tell Chuck and Sally about the change, because, basically, she’s distracted.
  • ·        On December 20, Chuck sends an email to out-of-state family members announcing the December 20 birth
  • ·        Chuck Heath misses being interviewed. He seeks out CNN and MSNBC, provides video and story about his grandson’s “birth” still saying it happened on December 20.
  • ·        Sarah gets word that there’s been an announcement. She flips out, orders the story pulled.
  • ·        Sarah and Sally can’t believe Chuck has done it again.
  • ·        CNN and MSNBC erase all evidence of the story and file it where they used to have the John Edwards mistress story.
  • ·        With all the interest in the Johnston arrest, the premature and then aborted Chuck story is all but unnoticed.
  • ·        Someone who saw both cable announcements thinks, “It came on the due date? That’s unusual for a first baby.”
  • ·        Questions begin to surface on blogs, “Where is Bristol? Has she had the baby?” Even the MSM begins to ask.
  • ·        A journalist from People magazine hits paydirt with a cold call to Sally Heath’s elerly out-of-state relative who confirms that the birth took place, everyone is healthy, and gives the child’s weight.  She got an email from Chuck.
  • ·        It’s  announced that the child was born on Sunday, December 28. This is later revised to Saturday, December 27.
  • ·        No immediate pictures or video of Tripp Johnston are released even though Levi and Bristol had been offered $300,000
  • ·        Early in 2009, Greta Van Susteren’s husband assisted Sarah in setting up SarahPAC and FOX was courting Sarah as a “news analyst”
  • ·        Levi was kicked out of the Palin house on January 8, 2009.
  • ·        Tripp and Bristol stay in the house because he is too big for his purported age and birth weight.
Bristol would especially not want video released because she wanted to make money on any video released. Bristol eventually debuts Tripp on the Greta Van Susteren show on FOX news February 18, 2008, at which point it’s much harder to discern his age.  She says “he’s getting so big,”   Was Bristol paid by FOX?  Was Bristol repaid by getting a cushy SarahPAC job?  Don’t know, but isn’t it likely? 


Levi says in "Deer in the Headlights" page 167 "Three months after the Greta interview, Birstol was all set up in her own $270,000 condo in Anchorage.  She told me she'd paid cash..."

Does anyone else remember video like the ones Bristolbaby or  Mrs. Gunka describe?  Comment freely.






34 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't get why all the lying they do. I mean they lie about everything big or small. Do they actually think people really give a damn about them. Where do they come off. They act like they are the first family of the universe. Good god what a bunch of family losers they are. She is no politican. She has become a clown just like the reality family Kardashinsans. Nothing there is good about this family.

Al said...

I don't understand your first set of bullet points.

But here aremy thoughts:

An earlier birth date would have helped Sarah in the trig story. She would have welcomed that.

Sarah was out of town most of Nov and the middle of Dec.

Bristol isn't exactly shy and doesn't seem to want to hide pics/videos as you claim. She did make several campaign appearances and posed for many pictures.

Matt Lauer referenced seeing Bristol during his Nov 08 interview.

There is not one person iin AK who thinks Tripps bday is anything other then Dec 27th. I think you're seriously thinking way too much and making yourself nuts.

When you assume random thoughts that have no basis to be true, you create a huge problem for yourself. Why do you think Gryphen is always do far off from what is real and caters to the imaginary?

Anonymous said...

"They act like a family of the universe."

That is because people treat them like they're the center of the universe. 97% of americans probably don't even know bristols sons name, let alone Sarahs husbands. (I have met people who don't know todds name)

This is a family who is literall living as normal as possible: with their normal jobs, quality family time, and friends.

When a time arises, they choose to defend a family member against immature remarks, as I hope everyone would.

Here's a hint: when you irrationally hate someone, everything they do is wrong. "Look at how that bitch holds her fork, like she effing owns the world."

Its best not to think like this, by letting your "dumbside" and emotions rule you.

Al said...

No offense but you think they lie about everything because you have a very strict version of their lives in your mind, despite not knowing them personally. So of course things seem like a lie. But in all honesty, if you were to go back and read all the exposes in people mag and others rags, they're pretty accurate portrayals.

B said...

These fairy tale comments don't bode well for the new policy, Allison. But perhaps they indicate you are on the right track.

Anonymous said...

anon @5:17 is funny!
"97% of americans probably don't even know bristols sons name, let alone Sarahs husbands."

Sweetie, learn the proper use of an apostrophe. You make sound like Sarah has multiple husbands and Bristol has multiple sons.

Oh wait...

Anonymous said...

Thank you Allison. I hope someone else remembers this video. Only saw it once. I remember the silhouette but not who was at the door. I thought to myself, wait a minute, that's Bristle with a baby and she looks pudgy! Then she was gone. It looked like a newborn. Maybe someone has a copy of it on their computer. She was so busy being gracious to someone at the door, but the background is what caught my attention! Hopefully more old timers can comment now and will have it in their files. I'm still trying to figure out how to copy and paste, so know I don't have it! :-) It must be getting close, as the trolls are already here trying to mess with us. Is that you Sarah? Who uses the words bullet points but a politician...real or not?

Mrs Gunka

AKRNHSNC said...

I'm trying to figure out where Bristol made $270k by April 2009 or so. She made money from the Candies' Foundation but the year end total for '09 was $260k+ so it didn't come from there. When was SarahPAC started? January 2009. If the condo in Anchorage was paid for in cash, that's where the money more than likely came from. It also wasn't registered in her name according to research done at the time.

The trolls were out in force early on this post with their usual wording "immature", "you don't know them personally", "normal family", etc. This family is far from normal with 3 kids dropping out of school, although Sarah secured Bristol's graduation diploma while Governor, pulling strings behind the scenes. This family lies about anything & everything, including the damn weather. That's not a NORMAL trait for any family that I know.

Anonymous said...

I am so glad you changed the comment posting. Don't get discouraged about some of those comments...it only means you are hitting them where it hurts. Having "lost" the other great bloggers, either to the fact that Sarah isn't news any more, or from fear, it is good to find someone new. A lot of good work has been done by all of those previous and current bloggers. Keep it up and the truth will finally come out about that miserable excuse for a mother. Pat

Karen said...

Thanks for starting this blog, although Sarah seems to be out of the 2012 running, she still has the potential to influence voters. I recall a video or picture of a Palin friendly journalist, when he arrived at their house for an interview, Ziegler I think, or starting with a v. I don't recall it being suspicious as far as the time however, but was that winter sometime I think.

Allison said...

Al -

Bristol's willingness to be photographed is a development that came after money was waved under her nose. I'm talking about an earlier time.

Where can we find pictures of Bristol after election day 2008 until her appearance with Tripp on Greta's show? That is the time period she was hiding. Oh, except for a video going into church and that's a very interesting video that supports the theory that Tripp was born a few weeks before that mid-December shot.

She also "disappeared" from the time the 2007 MTV video was shot (and she didn't know anyone would ever discover her in that) to the April prom picture with Mercede. Or the Triggy Bear pictures, if you tend to believe those were shot earlier than we've been told.
So, anyway, Al, you said "Bristol isn't exactly shy and doesn't seem to want to hide pics/videos as you claim" --- please back that up with links to public sites, or if you prefer, email me some screen shots at thepalinplace@gmail.com

Allison said...

Al,

You posted twice, so I'm answering separately.

I have to agree partially with your observation that "... in all honesty, if you were to go back and read all the exposes in people mag and others rags, they're pretty accurate portrayals."

I think the Brad Hanson affair, the Track Palin and Bristol Palin drug use story, and the Shailey Tripp prostitution report have pretty accurate portrayals. What I don't buy as accurate are the glossy ones with designer evening gowns and barefoot Tripp in a highchair while mommy Bristol whips up cupcakes. I don't buy the happy happy family mother's day shot with the exception that Track's angry glare at the camera does seem real. And I don't buy the pose with a jogging stroller and Sarah saying she sings to Trig while jogging with him in the stroller.

I mean, really, Al...there's an email series where Sarah's government paid staff where searching all over hell's half acre to find a baby stroller to use as a prop for that article.

Got any evidence to support your version of reality? You have my email address. Proof is welcome.

Allison said...

AKRNHSNC I think now that Levi was wrong about the timing of the condo. It was not as early as that. This may call for a post and not a comment in a thread. I'm working on it.

Allison said...

Hi Pat and Hi Karen, I appreciate the kind words and it's great to know you are here.

Karen, the Zeigler thought might be worth exploring. Maybe someone will hit pay dirt with that idea. I'll try, but, you know, it takes a village!

pol said...

Hi, Allison -

Ziegler did interview Palin, but the date was early Jan 2009. He mentions in this Daily Caller post that the date of the interview was temporarily up in the air due to Bristol's due date.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/12/the-sarah-palin-i-know/

PS I really enjoy your thoughtful, investigative approach to uncovering the truth. Thanks for tackling this thorny topic!

Anonymous said...

http://www.halfsigma.com/2011/06/when-will-we-find-out-the-truth-about-sarah-palin-and-trig.html

Lastly, I know it to be medically impossible for Sarah Palin to have become pregnant after 2002. The procedure she had made it impossible for a reversal to be performed. I have seen several pages relating to these medical records including an anesthesiologist's report and a perfusionist's stand-by report. (indicating his services were not needed)


interesting read.

Allison said...

Pol, thanks for linking to that. I clipped this comment from it:

Bristol opens the door wearing sweatpants and a T-shirt, looking totally uninterested in what I’m doing there, as one would expect from an 18-year-old with a newborn. Little Trip is crying.

If that is on film it could well be what Mrs. Gunka recalls. The date was January 5 (coincidentally the day Levi quit the Slope), so it doesn't solve the mystery of the pre-Christmas posting from Bristolbaby. The two descriptions were different, anyway. Bristolbaby said it was Sarah leaning over a baby and Mrs. Gunka recalls that it was Bristol who leaned over.

I'm leaning toward the Zeigler clip as being what Mrs. Gunka saw.

Still think there's another one out there. One released by Chuck Heath on December 20, 2008. Nothing's ever completely destroyed in this digital era, right? I hope that's true.

Thanks again.

Dis Gusted said...

@seriously disturbed,

April 18, 2008 was the day Tripp was born. He was going to stand-in as a newborn for Trig who was already 7-8 months old. That is the only explanation for the wild ride.

http://www.lauranovakauthor.com/1/post/2011/7/did-sarah-palin-trip-up-with-tripps-date-of-birth-by-prof-brad-scharlott.html



I agree with this theory - it makes sense compared to Palin's pregnancies.

WMUR TV (ABC) in Manchester NH also ran a clip of Sarah Palin bending over a baby crib at least a week before Tripp was allegedly born. She was wearing her infamous pencil skirt and it was a good butt shot of her bending over. The clip ran only once on the late news. I wondered why IM and Po-gates hadn't picked up on the story at the time.

Anonymous said...

Drip, drip, drip!



Mrs G

Allison said...

Hi Dis Gusted I'm thrilled with the further confirmation of a video of Sarah and newborn Tripp. Your reason for remembering it would be exactly why my husband would, if he saw it, remember it. Saying so makes you credible to me :)


Also, are you (and @seriously disturbed) aware that the link to Laura Novak's post with Brad Scharlott is an early version of Professor's theory on Babygate? If you read through his October and November writings on the blog he launched in October 2011, you'll find he no longer believes exactly as he did in April - the link you posted. I won't try to paraphrase for him, he does a find job himself. Here's a link
http://scharlottsbeacon.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

Just a small issue with your time line:

“Bristol eventually debuts Tripp on the Greta Van Susteren show on FOX news in March, 2008"

The Greta/Bristol interview was February 18, 2009.

Anonymous said...

Allison,

You mentioned the video clip of Bristol scurrying away from reporters to go to church on December 14, 2008. This was a church service in a temporary location (a middle school) immediately after the suspicious fire at the Wasilla Bible Church (fire apparently occurred on the night of December 12). The press was there because of the news (an arson investigation was underway).

We have heard since then that the Palins don't regularly go to church. I suppose the Palins may have felt obligated to show up there because the media was in attendance, but why would Bristol be there? It was less than a week until the due date so far as everyone outside knew, so no one would have thought it strange if she was not with the family, in the dark, scurrying across the ice. They knew the media would be there - why risk being photographed or filmed when she really does not look like she could be giving birth in a few days?

So odd.

Anonymous said...

The on-site investigation revealed an ignitable accelerant that had been poured on and around the exterior of the church in multiple locations, to include the entrances and exits. Evidence recovered from the fire scene was collected and retained by members of the Alaska State Crime Laboratory. The initial damage to the structure is estimated at about $500,000.00. No injuries have been reported.

Read more: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/135622#ixzz1fhEHdHut




the arsonist set the stage for fires at all the entrances and exits. Wasilla is fortunate that the only thing to die in the fire was the adoption files.

Church did not resume in that location until the end of January.

Watching Bristol run across the ice confirms that she was not pregnant at the time.

Allison said...

Thanks, Anon, I will correct that date.

Dis Gusted said...

February 18, 2008



chuckle - 2009, Allison, 2009. Although you may be inadvertently correct....

Allison said...

Dis gusted -- it's been a long day:). Thanks for your help.

Allison said...

Anon@ 9:38. There's a lot in that linked message. Sort of a
MeAgain person, not exactly a Sue Williams. I've bookmarked it for future reference. Thanks very much.

Anonymous said...

Shitfire 4:32 PM

Concerning the comment and link supplied this on this thread at 9:38 a.m.

This is a comment that was apparently first submitted to Immoral Minority on June 02, 2011. See both comments with the 4:32 PM time here.

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9361564&postID=6300421337309010801

This comment and link on your blog illustrates several important points.

*Many things are reposted on the internet. Not always in complete and accurate ways.

*When the information is not viewed at the original source, much important context is lost. Among other things, the response to the original posting and any follow up from the original poster is missed.

*Verifying the original source (and then checking to see where else it had been copied in differing degrees of completeness) in this case would have informed that the comment was posted and reposted in a number of the most public Palin discussion forums at the time of the original posting. It continues to be reposted even here. Just search various combinations of Shitfire Anonymous 4:32 and so on.

This is not intended to criticize any posters or blogs. The purpose is to point out that meaningful research requires scrupulous standards. Recognizing the word shitfire or the content of the comments originally posted at IM are not required to determine the original source of this comment.

I didn't recognize what was posted here in the 9:38 AM comment but seeing Shitfire at the link was all it took.

Allison said...

Something occurred that prevented the comment below from appearing here, even though it made it to my email (as all comments do). It's a valuable comment from "Anonymous" and Anon put time and thought into it so I want it seen.

Here is a cut and paste:


Shitfire 4:32 PM

Concerning the comment and link supplied this on this thread at 9:38 a.m.

This is a comment that was apparently first submitted to Immoral Minority on June 02, 2011. See both comments with the 4:32 PM time here.

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9361564&postID=6300421337309010801

This comment and link on your blog illustrates several important points.

*Many things are reposted on the internet. Not always in complete and accurate ways.

*When the information is not viewed at the original source, much important context is lost. Among other things, the response to the original posting and any follow up from the original poster is missed.

*Verifying the original source (and then checking to see where else it had been copied in differing degrees of completeness) in this case would have informed that the comment was posted and reposted in a number of the most public Palin discussion forums at the time of the original posting. It continues to be reposted even here. Just search various combinations of Shitfire Anonymous 4:32 and so on.

This is not intended to criticize any posters or blogs. The purpose is to point out that meaningful research requires scrupulous standards. Recognizing the word shitfire or the content of the comments originally posted at IM are not required to determine the original source of this comment.

I didn't recognize what was posted here in the 9:38 AM comment but seeing Shitfire at the link was all it took.

Allison said...

Now that I cut and pasted, I want to reply :)

Anon - if you are saying that comments such as the one above need to be tested for truth, I totally agree. Good point! Lessons learned starting with Sue Williams. Test the information. Much easier to do now that we have some first-hand reports from some "memoirs" and have seen some income tax documents, emails from the State of AK, and have the investigative work of McGinnis, Dunn, and even Broomfield.

That's pretty much what this blog is about. As I said, that link above is interesting, but more of a MeAgain (meaning untested in it's claims to insider perspective) than Sue Williams whose words I took apart quite thoroughly.

Thanks for taking the time to make this important point.

Anonymous said...

6:55AM - not shitfire or meagain

Thanks for fixing my comment.

You are correct that I think comments should be tested for truth. Not all blog participants are able or willing to do that. That's why labeling the information correctly will let everyone know that it's yet another rehash of shitfire or whatever. It might seem believable when compared to a 'real' troll post. It might even turn out to be true. At least let's be aware of what is being discussed if possible.

How many of these similar anonymous claims which do not provide useful new information (facts-not claims-which are verifiable through other credible sources) have shed any light on the topic? I'm not referring to situations where the information is anonymized by passing through an identified blogger.

About the only shitfire post or discussion that would interest me is the one that starts Shitfire reveals their real name.

Dis Gusted said...

"There is not one person iin AK who thinks Tripps bday is anything other then Dec 27th."


ROFL


he wasn't born that day any more than TriG was born on April 18th.

Anonymous said...

Sorry of this is duplicate info, haven't read comments yet.

That ass kissing film maker- Ziegler, I believe? He described a scene just like that when he went to Chez Griftopia to VIDEO Sarah for an interview. He mentioned "seeing Bristol in the shadows", tending her newborn.

And he had a video camera crew with him from the second he walked in.

I think a major key is Sarah stating L & B had been "parenting their butts off" (when according to the version of events supplied by the Palins, Levi and Bristol had only BEEN parents for about sixty hours) AND Sarah/Bristol have recently maligned Levi for not being present at the birth. And in truth, Levi WAS on the slope during the 12/20 "birth". So where was he during the likely time of the REAL date of Tripp's birth?

Allison said...

Anon@6:39. Check my 7:20am comment for what Mr Z said. Your thought about the two teens "parenting their butts off" is shared by other critical thinkers. Can 't say it often enough- it's a good one.